SDA & Same-gender Sex

18 03 2007

I’m bisexual. Let’s get that out in the open for starters.

I was raised in the Seventh Day Adventist Church (www.sda.org). The SDA Church has a standing policy that those who have same-gender sex (e.g., “practicing” homosexuals or bisexuals in homo- relations of that sort) are not allowed to be members of the church. While I am not “practicing”, in this sense, I still consider this stance to be ridiculous, and it is my grounds for withdrawing my membership from the church.

The following is my diatribe on why I consider this policy to be ridiculous:

1. It is predicated on the belief that same-gender sex is a sin.

This is debatable at best. There are quite a few texts in the bible that appear quite straightforward in their meaning – men should not have sex with men. The opening chapter of Romans is a good example of this (see verses 22-28). While these do appear clear in their intent, I do not believe they have been correctly interpreted in the context of a modern homosexual relationship. There’s quite a bit of literature online that discusses this particular point of interpretation, and from what I can tell there is greater academic veracity in the viewpoint of the New/Old Testament writers condemning gay sex in pagan temples, rather than a modern monogamous homosexual relationship. If nothing else, it is of equal veracity with the plain-text interpretation, in which case we should suspend judgment of the issue since neither is clearly the correct one.

See this website, “What the Bible Says – and Doesn’t Say, about Homosexuality”. There is also a direct link to a PDF of the 24-page booklet.

I would also recommend reading ReligiousTolerance.org’s treatment of the “The Bible and Homosexuality”.

2. The reasoning behind tossing out a member because they are a “sinner” is specious and hypocritical. Not to mention, the salvation model is a little confusing.

Let’s model the basic logic behind what is considered an acceptable member of the SDA church in a simple pseudo-computer program. I know this is oversimplified. However, if you can show me why it is not an *accurate* model of how this reasoning works, and why it should be considered non-specious, then please contact me.

‘Person’='Joe’

if ‘Joe has same gender attractions’ == TRUE

and ‘Joe has same-gender sex’ == FALSE

then ‘Membership’ == TRUE”

This is essentially the stance of the SDA church. You can have same-sex attractions, as long as you don’t act on them as a lifestyle (e.g., you choose to ’sin’ on a regular basis). If you do have sex, you’re a sinner, and we can’t have that in the church. Except:

‘Person’='Joe’

if ‘Joe has temptations to eat too much’ == TRUE

and ‘Joe eats too much, and is overweight’ == TRUE

then ‘Membership’ == TRUE

The bible has passages in which it condemns gluttony as a sin – especially as a lifestyle. But overweight members in the church are not condemned for being overweight, nor asked to leave the church. Granted, there are programs in place to help people lose weight because we want people to be in a good state of health, but simply having a lifestyle of overeating does not prompt anyone to ask fat people to leave the church. Of course, this entire analogy depends also upon the idea that same-gender sex is also bad, which was repudiated in the previous point.

If overeating is acceptable, but same-gender sex not, then we clearly have a sliding scale of what sins are “really bad” and what sins are “not too bad”. Sins are not equal.

But really, what is sin? In the most basic sense, it is separation from God. This is why christian doctrine contains the concept of “original sin” – that the sin of Adam and Eve was passed down to the offspring, and that we are inherently disconnected from God – and thus sinners – from birth.

So then, what’s the fundamental difference between someone who does not act on temptations of what we consider to be ‘bad’, and the person who does? Both are sinners, since both have original sin on their shoulders. I would hypothesize that an Adventist would say that the person who acts on temptations is choosing to stay separated from god, and in this sense is not saved. The person who only has original sin, and only commits “not too bad” sins can be saved despite their ‘bad’ lifestyle because they can claim Christ as their saviour.

From this I would conclude that Adventists have a fundamental goal of ‘closeness’/'connectedness’ to god, and that they believe there is a sliding scale in the distance of disconnection between a given person and god. This seems reasonable, except that on a fundamental level we have not been given a criterion from god of what is a more or less acceptable sin (except, perhaps, the “unforgivable sin”). This is where we have entered the realm of subjective judgment, where one acts off of the feelings of one’s guts and the current political climate. I would say any reasoning as to what is more or less acceptable is specious by this very fact of a lack of objective or authoritative criterion.

I would say “Judge not, lest ye be judged”. Else, “Judge, and prepare to be judged”. Your pick. I think I’ll go with the former.

Conclusion

So let’s do a recap:

1. Same-gender sex is clearly not prohibited in the bible in specific contexts, and it does not talk at all about a modern monogamous homosexual relationship.

2. For someone to judge another on their actions as worse than their own is bigoted and specious in their reasoning by virtue of subjectivity. Why are you judging people anyway?

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Just for the sake of a point of reference, here’s the

Official Seventh Day Adventist Position Statement on Homosexuality

“The Seventh-day Adventist Church recognizes that every human being is valuable in the sight of God, and we seek to minister to all men and women in the spirit of Jesus. We also believe that by God’s grace and through the encouragement of the community of faith, an individual may live in harmony with the principles of God’s Word.

Seventh-day Adventists believe that sexual intimacy belongs only within the marital relationship of a man and a woman. This was the design established by God at creation. The Scriptures declare: “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh” (Gen. 2:24, NIV). Throughout Scripture this heterosexual pattern is affirmed. The Bible makes no accommodation for homosexual activity or relationships. Sexual acts outside the circle of a heterosexual marriage are forbidden (Lev. 20:7-21; Rom. 1:24-27; 1 Cor. 6:9-11). Jesus Christ reaffirmed the divine creation intent: “‘Haven’t you read,’ he replied, ‘that at the beginning the Creator “made them male and female,” and said, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh?” So they are no longer two, but one’” (Matt. 19:4-6, NIV). For these reasons Adventists are opposed to homosexual practices and relationships.

Seventh-day Adventists endeavor to follow the instruction and example of Jesus. He affirmed the dignity of all human beings and reached out compassionately to persons and families suffering the consequences of sin. He offered caring ministry and words of solace to struggling people, while differentiating His love for sinners from His clear teaching about sinful practices.

This statement was voted during the Annual Council of the General Conference Executive Committee on Sunday, October 3, 1999 in Silver Spring, Maryland.”

Essentially, love the sinner, hate the sin. All who are attracted to homosexual relationships should deny themselves. Heterosexual domestic partnerships are the only kind that were instituted by God in the Bible, and therefore should be the only kind that we have in modern society.


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5 responses

28 03 2007
Shannon

Thanks for commenting on my site (I think you also commented once before). I am really encouraged by supportive comments and and posts by people who go through things that are somewhat similar to mine (I’m straight, but I can definately attest to the judgmentalness of Adventism). I grew up in the SDA church, too, and I’m now at an SDA college. I wish there was a way to meet up with more people who grew up SDA but have now left Christianity altogether. I did once find a website of former Seventh-day Adventists, but it seemed to consist of people who switched to another denomination for theological reasons. Then there are people who have left Christianity, but those people are few and far between where I am.

Anyway, I intend to keep reading your blog and post more of my own stuff.

28 03 2007
Dagger of Truth

Everyone who I personally know that identifies themselves as “bisexual” and that identifies themselves as male, has either never been with a relationship with a person that identifies herself as female or has come out of the closet to be a full homosexual.

So let’s have it, have you been in a relationship with a female?

29 03 2007
glork

No, I’ve never been in a relationship with a girl. That’s kind’ve beside the point though – bisexuality has more to do with attraction to both genders than necessarily having a relationship with both genders at one time or another. In that sense, I’m definitely bi. The most common misconception is that this attraction need be equal for both genders – note true. I’m definitely more biased towards guys than gals. In any case, as one of my friends likes to say, sexuality can be “fluid”. Attractions can change over time, and become more full-fledged if you don’t suppress them. In any case, I do happen to have a boyfriend at the moment.

BTW, Your moniker is rather presumptuous. Ever considered something more humble?

29 03 2007
Dagger of Truth

I’m not trying saying that sexuality is a ridged, set-before-birth predestination, or that everyone should consider themselves as gay or straight. What I’m trying to say is that (based purely on what I’ve seen) guys exhibit bisexualism in that form to keep it not confrontational. By saying that “I like guys, but I still kind’ve (kind have?) like girls” is like keeping a finger in the book; a desperate grab for keeping at least a small part of yourself constrained to what society deems as “Normal.” Of course, there wouldn’t be a way to really prove this…ever.

PS, I apologize for my presumptuous and narcissistic name. I had it written as “Dagger of Truth” but the software automatically capitalized the “of” without my consent.

30 03 2007
glork

I think the correct grammar would be “kind of”… perhaps the reason why you would be compelled to write the similar-sounding “kind’ve”.

I can see where you’re coming from. People will I’m sure use the bisexual label for that purpose sometimes.

Quite frankly, it is not the case for me. There are definite instances where I’ve felt attraction to some gals, though typically for reasons other than their figure (in some cases, but rarely). Guys on the other hand – well, show me some bod! This feels rather silly though… why I am trying to show the veracity of my self-chosen label to a random person on the internet?

Anyway, there has to be some meeting of the minds if I’d ever like to have a relationship or friendship with people I’m attracted to physically. But it does seem, at least on the physical part, that I am attracted more to guys than girls. I haven’t the slightest idea why.

What would the capitalization of “of” have anything to do with the presumptuousness of the name? Perhaps it implies “The Truth”, vs. “the truth” / “a version of the truth” sort’ve thing? Is this what you meant to distinguish?

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